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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://thestrandedstarfish.com/its-like-going-to-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Chris. You were one of the reasons that the early ISS was what it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Chris. You were one of the reasons that the early ISS was what it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Carpinello</title>
		<link>http://thestrandedstarfish.com/its-like-going-to-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Carpinello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think it&#039;s naive that ISS&#039; culture would remain intact once it was acquired by IBM.  The spirit of ISS and the &quot;Go ISS!&quot; attitude was a product of right time and right place.  I remember my first week at ISS when I attended a RealSecure team meeting where Tim Farley was paying up lunch for a challenge where he bet no one could break into his desktop.  During the time of first layoffs in 2001, that sense of camaraderie and pioneering spirit just wasn&#039;t there anymore.  It&#039;s one of the casualties of growing from 112 people when I joined in &#039;97 to 1500 when I left. 

From an outsider&#039;s perspective, ISS is just a commodity for IBM.  The acquisition equated to yet another checkbox in IBM&#039;s offering to remain at the forefront of business.  I&#039;m really surprised IBM didn&#039;t &quot;rip the bandaid off&quot; when the acquisition was complete.

For what it&#039;s worth Joe, I think you made a great difference at ISS when I was there.  Those days were full of fantastic opportunities and hard lessons for me.  I still have the RealSecure gargoyle sitting on my desk at home as a reminder of that experience.

I know you&#039;ll do great things at NCR.  I wish you all the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think it&#8217;s naive that ISS&#8217; culture would remain intact once it was acquired by IBM.  The spirit of ISS and the &#8220;Go ISS!&#8221; attitude was a product of right time and right place.  I remember my first week at ISS when I attended a RealSecure team meeting where Tim Farley was paying up lunch for a challenge where he bet no one could break into his desktop.  During the time of first layoffs in 2001, that sense of camaraderie and pioneering spirit just wasn&#8217;t there anymore.  It&#8217;s one of the casualties of growing from 112 people when I joined in &#8217;97 to 1500 when I left. </p>
<p>From an outsider&#8217;s perspective, ISS is just a commodity for IBM.  The acquisition equated to yet another checkbox in IBM&#8217;s offering to remain at the forefront of business.  I&#8217;m really surprised IBM didn&#8217;t &#8220;rip the bandaid off&#8221; when the acquisition was complete.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth Joe, I think you made a great difference at ISS when I was there.  Those days were full of fantastic opportunities and hard lessons for me.  I still have the RealSecure gargoyle sitting on my desk at home as a reminder of that experience.</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;ll do great things at NCR.  I wish you all the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Tangy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Tangy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always had that feeling ISS was bailed together with Popsicle sticks, duct tape, and bailing wire.  It was really no surprise to me when it all fell apart in IBMs hands.  It was like some glorious publicly traded Macgyver invention.  It worked but only in the hands of it&#039;s creator.  Try and take one of macgyver&#039;s inventions into your own hands and you&#039;ll probably blow yourself up (McGruuber!)  

Ultimately, I think your point of being brash to a fault was all too true.  We were getting killed by smarter competitors, but that brash attitude allowed us to act like we were above it in some way.  It was like our protective shield against the harsh reality we were loosing, and we hid behind it.  What I saw was just a total inability to innovate, and a paralysis on choosing what ISS needed to focus on to grow.  Good ideas just couldn&#039;t make it out of the incubator before getting squashed by poor choices.  There was a segment of our culture that nurtured these bad habits.  If you ask me the culture was the best thing and worst thing about ISS.

I think ISS was a zombie even before IBM purchased them.  It was a surprise to find out how little thought IBM put into this purchase.  Stagnant growth, horrible numbers, nothing really new, inability to produce new products, or reach new markets.  And, like someone said earlier just complete inability to change processes internally when they weren&#039;t working.  Those were all things that were apart of that culture.

You know John Imlay and Sig Mosley are closing up shop.  John said he did do great things for Atlanta&#039;s hi-tech sector, but he regrets that he never created a brand like Coke for hi-tech.  I know what he means.  Coke is a huge economic engine for Atlanta, and has been for well over a century.  The inability to make the jump to a seriously competitive hi-tech city could have lasting effects on Atlanta&#039;s prosperity down the road (Atlanta has too many eggs in the real-estate, and construction basket).  I think ISS could have been that brand, but they fumbled the ball just before the goal line.  I can now say I was there when the mighty Casey struck out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always had that feeling ISS was bailed together with Popsicle sticks, duct tape, and bailing wire.  It was really no surprise to me when it all fell apart in IBMs hands.  It was like some glorious publicly traded Macgyver invention.  It worked but only in the hands of it&#8217;s creator.  Try and take one of macgyver&#8217;s inventions into your own hands and you&#8217;ll probably blow yourself up (McGruuber!)  </p>
<p>Ultimately, I think your point of being brash to a fault was all too true.  We were getting killed by smarter competitors, but that brash attitude allowed us to act like we were above it in some way.  It was like our protective shield against the harsh reality we were loosing, and we hid behind it.  What I saw was just a total inability to innovate, and a paralysis on choosing what ISS needed to focus on to grow.  Good ideas just couldn&#8217;t make it out of the incubator before getting squashed by poor choices.  There was a segment of our culture that nurtured these bad habits.  If you ask me the culture was the best thing and worst thing about ISS.</p>
<p>I think ISS was a zombie even before IBM purchased them.  It was a surprise to find out how little thought IBM put into this purchase.  Stagnant growth, horrible numbers, nothing really new, inability to produce new products, or reach new markets.  And, like someone said earlier just complete inability to change processes internally when they weren&#8217;t working.  Those were all things that were apart of that culture.</p>
<p>You know John Imlay and Sig Mosley are closing up shop.  John said he did do great things for Atlanta&#8217;s hi-tech sector, but he regrets that he never created a brand like Coke for hi-tech.  I know what he means.  Coke is a huge economic engine for Atlanta, and has been for well over a century.  The inability to make the jump to a seriously competitive hi-tech city could have lasting effects on Atlanta&#8217;s prosperity down the road (Atlanta has too many eggs in the real-estate, and construction basket).  I think ISS could have been that brand, but they fumbled the ball just before the goal line.  I can now say I was there when the mighty Casey struck out.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Hubbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Hubbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait.  Are you saying XP != EXPO markers?  So that whole time you weren&#039;t talking about markers!  All that time and I thought we were going to design our software with XP markers.  Look it really made sense at the time. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait.  Are you saying XP != EXPO markers?  So that whole time you weren&#8217;t talking about markers!  All that time and I thought we were going to design our software with XP markers.  Look it really made sense at the time. <img src='http://thestrandedstarfish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: No1</title>
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		<dc:creator>No1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;as for anyone at ibm/iss still saying “this isn’t the old iss”, then if that’s what they’re missing and they can’t adapt, then they need to leave or get worked out. think how many talented people right now who can’t find a job would kill to have an opportunity at iss/ibm?&quot;
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Oh, come on.  One one hand you talk about how there are lots of talented people who can&#039;t find jobs, and then on the other you say those who miss the old ISS should leave, as if its so easy.

Guess what?  I&#039;m NOT giving up my job and getting in the unemployment line and looking at the possibility of losing my house if I can&#039;t find a job for long enough, etc. just cause I miss the old days and you say I should leave.

Am I undeserving of a job here because I miss the old days?

How about this.  I miss the old days.  But I&#039;d rather have this job now, than no job at all. Is that OK?  Or is this the place only for those ignorant or uncaring about the &quot;old days?&quot;

I don&#039;t understand this mutually exclusive approach.  

And by the way, if the rule is adapt to our new way or leave, that leaves no room for dissent, no room for opinion, no room for TRYING to make improvements, no room for ambition, no room for creativity, no room for anything.  What corporate culture in a company such as this was based on &quot;Shut up and do what you&#039;re told or you&#039;re fired&quot; and succeeded wildly?  You know, other than Stalin and Soviet Russia (oh wait, the USSR collapsed too)?  Even IBM has more flexibility than that.

Whoever believes that that is the formula for success should probably pick up a copy of The Soul of a New Machine.

And BTW, one thing I disliked about the &quot;To survive you must adapt&quot; ethos is that it is not one of a market leader, but of a follower.  A Market leader can, in a sense, form the market and shape it (like we did with IDS/IPS).  A follower must adapt to the groundwork laid by the leader.  A market leader thrives, a market follower &quot;survives.&quot;  Instead of &quot;To survive you must adapt&quot; it should have been &quot;To lead we must innovate&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;as for anyone at ibm/iss still saying “this isn’t the old iss”, then if that’s what they’re missing and they can’t adapt, then they need to leave or get worked out. think how many talented people right now who can’t find a job would kill to have an opportunity at iss/ibm?&#8221;<br />
&#8212;<br />
Oh, come on.  One one hand you talk about how there are lots of talented people who can&#8217;t find jobs, and then on the other you say those who miss the old ISS should leave, as if its so easy.</p>
<p>Guess what?  I&#8217;m NOT giving up my job and getting in the unemployment line and looking at the possibility of losing my house if I can&#8217;t find a job for long enough, etc. just cause I miss the old days and you say I should leave.</p>
<p>Am I undeserving of a job here because I miss the old days?</p>
<p>How about this.  I miss the old days.  But I&#8217;d rather have this job now, than no job at all. Is that OK?  Or is this the place only for those ignorant or uncaring about the &#8220;old days?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand this mutually exclusive approach.  </p>
<p>And by the way, if the rule is adapt to our new way or leave, that leaves no room for dissent, no room for opinion, no room for TRYING to make improvements, no room for ambition, no room for creativity, no room for anything.  What corporate culture in a company such as this was based on &#8220;Shut up and do what you&#8217;re told or you&#8217;re fired&#8221; and succeeded wildly?  You know, other than Stalin and Soviet Russia (oh wait, the USSR collapsed too)?  Even IBM has more flexibility than that.</p>
<p>Whoever believes that that is the formula for success should probably pick up a copy of The Soul of a New Machine.</p>
<p>And BTW, one thing I disliked about the &#8220;To survive you must adapt&#8221; ethos is that it is not one of a market leader, but of a follower.  A Market leader can, in a sense, form the market and shape it (like we did with IDS/IPS).  A follower must adapt to the groundwork laid by the leader.  A market leader thrives, a market follower &#8220;survives.&#8221;  Instead of &#8220;To survive you must adapt&#8221; it should have been &#8220;To lead we must innovate&#8221;</p>
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